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why was jay-z such a late bloomer?

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  • KeepinItHundredKeepinItHundred Posts: 1,139 ✭✭✭
    edited September 2011
    I dint wna be ignorant but fine..... Cuz he was selllin crack gtn money in da streets derlic, dats why! While pussies like nas nd albert aka twinkle toes was in ballet class nd lookin out they window, so of course they had time to hit a studio nd spit tales bout other ppls lives, lol, cuz them nigz dont know wut crack cook rite look like... Maybe if he wasnt knee deep in da streets he wudda came out as a teen too..

    so for a jay-z stan's sake we'll pretend thats true.
    but what about g-rap? he was able to come out when he did. nice try.
  • JokerzWyldJokerzWyld Fazer o que você gosta é liberdade. Gostar do que você faz é felicidade Chocolate CityPosts: 5,483 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited September 2011
    He had to bloom late, he need time to soak up game and change up his entire style, both content and flow. LMAO.
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  • waterproofwaterproof Conqueror of Self On The Road to ZionPosts: 9,407 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited September 2011
    all these other emcees were putting out classics in their early 20s, or teen years(mobb deep)

    did jay just need to watch and learn to gain pointers?

    Because jay-Z was shook that's why, Jay-Z is around the same age of Rakim, Big Daddy Kane, Krs-1, LL Cool J,. And around that era those were the emcee's that was was running shit in New York and at that time older emcee's like Kool Moe Dee, Melle Mel and Grand Master CAZ, T La rock was still wrecking the mic's and they was in their late 20's

    Now look at all these emcee's that i listed KOOL MOE DEE, GRANDMASTER CAZ, MELLE MEL, RAKIM, BIG DADDY KANE, KRS-1, LL COOL J and T La Rock = 9 emcee's with 6 in the TOP TEN EMCEE'S OF ALL TIMES that will be KOOL MOE DEE, GRANDMASTER CAZ, MELLE MEL, RAKIM, BIG DADDY KANE, KRS-1 and LL Cool J and T La Rock are any where from 11-15.

    Jay-Z knew his role, the older emcee's in KMD, CAZ, and Melle Mel, T La Rock would of crushed Jay-Z around 88 even though they was around their late 20's and the younger emcee's were in the late teen's and around Jay-Z age Rakim, Kane, Krs-1 was taking hip-hop to the next level and battling the vets and making classic albums.

    Jay-Z couldnt and knew he wasnt on none of their level's. That's why he hopped on Jaz-o back and learned from JAZ and KANE. Jay-z at the age of 27 waited to those emcee's was bowing out due to the new wave of hip-hop and around 95 he try to act brand new, a straight sucka.
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  • usmarin3usmarin3 Posts: 38,013 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited September 2011
    Just like every other rapper it took him time to find his style and what works for them. If you listen to Biggie, he wasn't on that Frank White shit, if you listen to Pac he wasn't on no gangsta shit at the beginning. The only reason why Jay gets the criticism he does because he is the only one from back then who lasted and have all this success, people are looking for some dumb reason for why he is here today other than the nigga can rhyme his ass off.

    You ask these haters why Jay is successful, they will say he bit Kane, Jaz, Biggie, Nas,etc style.
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  • j dot keyzj dot keyz Posts: 127
    edited September 2011
    He had to reinvent himself, he was the goofy dude from Jaz-O's videos, then he went to do his own thing. He had to put in work and learn how to make hits. Kinda like Rick Ross, he was nobody for a long time, reinvented himself, learned how to make hits and now he's one of the biggest namesin rap. Nowadays rappers only need a catchy song to make it big (temporarily), there's no real struggle involved.
  • KeepinItHundredKeepinItHundred Posts: 1,139 ✭✭✭
    edited September 2011
    Ur the threadstarter rite, get to the gist of it, wuts ur fuckin point? So wut if he came in da game late, wut does dat have to do wit anything, u tryin to imply dat lyrically he cudnt hang with kool g, mobb deep, nas etc? Well guess wut, he is cemented as a top 5 emcee regardless if u like it or not, half them nigs wasnt relevant afta bout 6yrs, dis nigga been killin for like, gv or take, 13yrs now, so if he was as wack as u trying to imply da game wudda got rid of him like they did dem otha wack niggas, ja, 50, nelly, and dem other nigz dat cudnt rhyme worth a lick so cut it out... Dat boy good! (Hov voice)

    who said jay-z was wack? I asked a simple question and jigger warriors got all heated and ducked the question and started brining up other emcees to change the subject. are you from BK? lol
  • KeepinItHundredKeepinItHundred Posts: 1,139 ✭✭✭
    edited September 2011
    U already know.. U still aint tell me da point of da thread nd y its relevant to anything, well of course other than hate.

    i just made an observation, and made a thread and asked a question. it's not my fault it hurts jigger warriors feelings. if you don't like it, make thread talking about jay-z accomplishments.
  • Manik SonaManik Sona Posts: 350
    edited September 2011
    He just like everyone else man, trying to get to the top.
  • Knives AmilliKnives Amilli Posts: 4,632 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited September 2011
    j dot keyz wrote: »
    He had to reinvent himself, he was the goofy dude from Jaz-O's videos, then he went to do his own thing. He had to put in work and learn how to make hits. Kinda like Rick Ross, he was nobody for a long time, reinvented himself, learned how to make hits and now he's one of the biggest namesin rap. Nowadays rappers only need a catchy song to make it big (temporarily), there's no real struggle involved.

    /thread.

    Niggas in here try to slickly imply that cues from other entertainers reinventing yourself is somehow a negative in the entertainment world.

    As if Stefani Germanotta didnt reinvent herself.

    As if Drake didn't change his style up.

    As if it didn't take Wiz 4 years to blow.
  • thecomebacklegendthecomebacklegend Posts: 1,942 ✭✭✭
    edited September 2011
    j dot keyz wrote: »
    He had to reinvent himself, he was the goofy dude from Jaz-O's videos, then he went to do his own thing. He had to put in work and learn how to make hits. Kinda like Rick Ross, he was nobody for a long time, reinvented himself, learned how to make hits and now he's one of the biggest namesin rap. Nowadays rappers only need a catchy song to make it big (temporarily), there's no real struggle involved.

    so u r saying he had 2 wait 4 pac 2 be gone 2 get his shine
  • foreogoulgegeforeogoulgege Posts: 1
    edited September 2011
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  • KeepinItHundredKeepinItHundred Posts: 1,139 ✭✭✭
    edited September 2011
    Great way to dance roun da question my G, guess u took up ballet like ur boy P nd pac as well.... Cool!

    i didn't dance around your question, you asked the point and i told you. i made an observation and i made a thread about it. it was relevant because everybody is talking about jay whether it be good or bad.
    you're just a hurt jay-z stan who's bringing up pac and p's dance classes to defend your lord and savoir jigger king, when facts are being stated.
  • MorganFreemanKingMorganFreemanKing Posts: 4,282 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited September 2011
    is this a why didnt Jay get signed when he was younger thread? if so then it's a legitimate thread. anything else seems baseless
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  • aneed123aneed123 Posts: 23,763 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited September 2011
    usmarin3 wrote: »
    Just like every other rapper it took him time to find his style and what works for them. If you listen to Biggie, he wasn't on that Frank White shit, if you listen to Pac he wasn't on no gangsta shit at the beginning. The only reason why Jay gets the criticism he does because he is the only one from back then who lasted and have all this success, people are looking for some dumb reason for why he is here today other than the nigga can rhyme his ass off.

    You ask these haters why Jay is successful, they will say he bit Kane, Jaz, Biggie, Nas,etc style.


    now if ur honest with urself u can admit that he did. Add Young Chris to the list as well. The other artist u named when already popular and established after they switched it up as well so there is no real comparison with Jay. And as long as Pac and Big were alive Jay would have been stuck in the same position.
  • Who Cares???Who Cares??? Posts: 1,167
    edited September 2011
    I can't really call it. But I honestly don't think duke even cares about when he made his impact compared to how it unfolded. Look at Wayne. You think he cares that the only reason niggas outside his area cares about his early existence was because of Juvenile? Or that he could only go Gold when rap was shitting platinum plaques? He'd probably laugh in your face and say look at me now. Jay is on some outer space shit. The only living nigga from his era who can still sell over a mil and fill any arena in any state. I can't incorporate female feelings when the truth is staring in my face. Duke is unbelievable.
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