"content'' the most overrated thing in hiphop and the biggest excuse to hate
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WTF does content have to do with someone's ability to rap, especially when people relate to different ? for different reason. I see the word used as a crutch for the conscious/underground hiphop fans all the time when they want to argue for artist like a Mos Def, Talib,etc and i don't know why. To me what makes a rapper great is his ability to paint pictures using skills (flow,delivery,storytelling,wordplay,etc), not what he raps about per se. A great mc can make any subject matter interesting imo, be that subject be about ice, ? , cars, the struggle,politics,etc.
? need to chill with that "i have superior taste" snobbish bs.
? need to chill with that "i have superior taste" snobbish bs.
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One of the best threads you have made
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yea the rap nerds take ? way too far. I hate folks complaining about every single jay verse. like dam the ? been rapping bout shinning for 20 years now why are you complaining about it. it's what he does
or if a certain mainstream artists works with somebody they don't like i remember ppl calling the walk it out remix a fake b/c 3000 would never be on a Unk track. -
Content matters.
When people make legitimate complaints about hip-hop its usually regarding the content.
It doesn't take much skill to rap about money, ? , or cars. That's why so many do it. -
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A Jay -Z fan/stan makes a thread 'bout "content" in rap music
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content matters to a point, but you can rap about whatever you want, as long as the lyricism is substantial. I hate when rappers cant rap
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Content matters.
When people make legitimate complaints about hip-hop its usually regarding the content.
It doesn't take much skill to rap about money, ? , or cars. That's why so many do it.
LOL who do you think complains about hiphop, the same elitist ? . The average person who is not a head don't give two ? or get caught up in commercial vs underground nonsense. The average person listen to rap to be entertain, nothing more. -
You're ? ? .
It's not just about being able to rap. Music is a form of art so of course the content is important. -
Content only matters to nasir and pac fans and ? without father figures
They are enlightened by that ? cuz they dont read or have anyone to teach them things -
"It's just different ..."
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art is subjective you ? , see that's what you snobs don't get. Subjective means, up to each persons interpretation, who the ? are you to say someone doesn't have content.
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I can appreciate all types of content as long as the song is dope.
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so yall cool with ? rappin about suckin ? and ? ? as long as his wordplay dope?
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art is subjective you ? , see that's what you snobs don't get. Subjective means, up to each persons interpretation, who the ? are you to say someone doesn't have content.
So content isn't important in other genres of music either or we just holding hip hop to a lower standard?
And I'm far from a snob being that I listen to and enjoy pretty much every rapper regardless of their content. -
My problem is why should the hiphop culture hav a GOAT who never evolved musically? How can someone be fronted GOAT when his subject matter is limited and lacks creativity?
lets see:
Marvin Gaye
James Brown
Stevie Wonder
Michael Jackson
John Lennon
Bob Marley
Bill Holiday
Fela Kuti
what do the above have in Common???
LOL at subject matter lacks creativity and limited, TWO ? WORDS THAT ARE SUBJECTIVE AND RELATIVE. See how that works snob?
There are lots of great artist beyond the artist who you listed who's music doesn't touch on the social conscious side and are still great artist (assuming that's what you were implying with your pretentious rhetoric).
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MorganFreemanKing wrote: »so yall cool with ? rappin about suckin ? and ? ? as long as his wordplay dope?
Some relates to it, which is what i'm getting at, people have their own taste. Who the ? are you and i to knock it?
People listen to Horrorcore, Gangsta rap about killing ? ,etc and still find ways to relate. How many people relate to killing ? and what not. -
? matters a lot to be honest. As the African gentleman pointed out...nobody wants to hear a one dimensional artist.
What's the point of being an "artist" if every picture is the same? Lack of creativity permeates hip-hop currently.
People used to rap about all kinds of stuff, not just social and political but emotional, philosophy, religion etc and they mixed it in with their gangster, thug, battle raps.
Cats took risks and made concept albums not for the club or for the money but because they wanted to be creative and try something else.
With limited content and style you bore listeners and it ultimately makes you easy to replace.
DMX said it best "there's more to a song than jewelry and clothes, more to a ? 's life than money and hoes" its that simple. What makes an artist timeless is to have music for every occasion, not just one.
How foolish does Fabolous sound rapping about throwback jerseys in 2003? Considering that in 2012 nobody wears throwback jerseys? His song is now lost in time.
Nobody listens to "in my white T" anymore do they?
Sure it made a temporary impact but life moves on and if you can't move with it then you are lost. -
? it does matter. Its why I cannot listen to most of eminems catalog at all. Its why I don't take hood/trap rappers seriously as rappers.
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MorganFreemanKing wrote: »so yall cool with ? rappin about suckin ? and ? ? as long as his wordplay dope?
Some relates to it, which is what i'm getting at, people have their own taste. Who the ? are you and i to knock it?
People listen to Horrorcore, Gangsta rap about killing ? ,etc and still find ways to relate. How many people relate to killing ? and what not.
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Knives Amilli wrote: »? it does matter. Its why I cannot listen to most of eminems catalog at all. Its why I don't take hood/trap rappers seriously as rappers.
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Like I said before. Dudes like Jay-Z and etc might not talk about the negatives and all the ? up ? going on in the world, but he does talk about something people are going to relate to. The ? struggling to feed his kids, riding the city bus to his minimum wage job might not be able to relate to Jay-Z rapping about a new Ferrari, so to him he ain't talking about ? , but the black lawyer or doctor who worked hard to get where he is, who pulls up to his office in his Ferrari damn sure can relate
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If it's subjective then how is it not important when forming an opinion? That makes no sense at all. It may not be important to you but to the people who are actually into music, content is one of the most important aspects. Especially in rap where the focal point is on lyrics and drums more than anything compared to other genres, you gon get tired of hearing a rapper talk about the same ? over and over again, hence why you listen to a variety of rappers. More versatile rappers like Nas get more burn from me because they can keep me engaged with their creativity.
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Yje one dimensional excuse is ? convenient too, how are artist like say a Mos Def, Talib, etc not one dimensional too. When do these ? ever go outside their 5 percent/Muslim style, when was the last time these dudes made a club record, banger,etc. It's cool though, they don't get that ''ONE DIMENSIONAL'' tag because are the ''superior taste'' favorite rappers.
? need to get off their high horses, hiphop has always been about duality.
LOL At you using some of the worst raps songs to make your point, there are great hiphop songs about ice, hoes, flossing,etc that still stands up this day. Franchise Boys is not a accurate representation of great commercial hiphop. Pick a Biggie song, a Jay-z song, a Snoop and Dre song, etc that still stands up 20 years later.
Ya'll need to chill out on the hyperbole, to make your point. I GET AROUND, HOW DO YOU WANT IT,etc stands up just like how DEAR MOMMA, KEEP YOUR HEAD UP till this day. -
ptowndonte wrote: »Like I said before. Dudes like Jay-Z and etc might not talk about the negatives and all the ? up ? going on in the world, but he does talk about something people are going to relate to. The ? struggling to feed his kids, riding the city bus to his minimum wage job might not be able to relate to Jay-Z rapping about a new Ferrari, so to him he ain't talking about ? , but the black lawyer or doctor who worked hard to get where he is, who pulls up to his office in his Ferrari damn sure can relate
False. As a young upwardly professional I can't relate to none of the ? he talks about.
Doctors and Lawyers ain't driving maybachs. That's reserved for rich white executives of large corporation. -
Content matters.
When people make legitimate complaints about hip-hop its usually regarding the content.
It doesn't take much skill to rap about money, ? , or cars. That's why so many do it.
LOL who do you think complains about hiphop, the same elitist ? . The average person who is not a head don't give two ? or get caught up in commercial vs underground nonsense. The average person listen to rap to be entertain, nothing more.
These aren't elitists.
http://www.10tv.com/content/stories/2012/01/06/columbus-school-apologizes-for-song-lyrics.html
http://www.lemondrop.com/2009/06/26/that-s-a-rap-music-still-putting-down-women/
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/1548682/Obama-hits-out-at-rappers-who-degrade-women.html
I doubt this young boy is influenced by Immortal Technique or Canibus. I doubt he or his parents even know who the ? they are.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=YDClZJLkCHg&oref=http://www.youtube.com/embed/YDClZJLkCHg