The Nagging Mom: What the **** is up with women and censorship?
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Madame_CJSkywalker wrote: »Ray Bradbury wrote Fahrenheit 451. In that book he bad the vision to see how the grievance industry would blossom.
It started with banning books, now people can twist anything to fit their grievance. ? can find sexism in a bowl of oatmeal if you give them enough time and they think it's a book deal or speaking engagment willing to pay.
Today, the "male gaze" is a grievance. Yes, where your eyes look is problematic now. Not domestic abuse, not real violence but "how dare you look at me?" "Your look dehumanizes me!"
H3H3 makes fun of this ? a lot too. Cultural appropriation is using black gifs and emojis.
This ? is nonsense. These are First World non-problems. You not being injured or disenfranchised by looks and emojis, grow the ? up.
lol
the male gaze is the act of depicting the world and women from a masculine and heterosexual point of view, which present women as objects of male pleasure
it's not just a look
you sound like a middle aged white man
young enough to know that 'cultural appropriation' is, but too inflexible in your views to actually learn what it really means and it's impact
know you got a sjw rant in you
how do you feel about identity politics?Madame_CJSkywalker wrote: »Madame_CJSkywalker wrote: »Madame_CJSkywalker wrote: »Madame_CJSkywalker wrote: »SuperManuel wrote: »That's the crazy thing to me. So much of this ? is fake. I grew up under the impression that ? who read comics, play video games etc were nerds who got no ? and were actively shunned by outsiders.
A movie like the 40 Year Old ? encapsulated this idea. What was the first thing his friends did when they tried to get him some ? ? They wanted to get rid of all his collectibles and nerd stuff because it was ? repellent.
For years this was true:
But out of nowhere it seems like women care so much now about what guys are doing in games or comics
true but girls was always gaming. they only played kiddie ? like super Mario or Kirby though.
That's what folks dont get.
Women read comics and manga too but it ain't the same ? men read.
People think everybody should do everything. Sometimes people just ain't interested!
Women and girls buy and or read comics and such that is women friendly... Even though we make up a significant portion of the market very little is catered towards us which is a part of the problem
And at the end of the day we live in a capitalist society
The ultimate goal is to expend ur market to make more money
That means making comics more accessible to minorities including women, poc and ? now that they have more buying power
Comics, and video games to a lesser extent, also have a long history of racist caricature that the industry is now grapling with
There are more blk super heroes
And recently batman confronts police racism in latest comic book so you have a problem with that?
Should the industry not be held responsible for the misogyny and racism they perpetuate
Should the industry not feel as though they have a social responsibility to address these things? Or rather why do yall have such a big problem with it
*shrugs*
Before anyone starts most popular female spaces and publications do not perpetuate the same contempt for anything other and objectification of the opposite sex at all. most of them is centered around what women can do to keep a man, i.e. lose weight, tone, makeup, head manuals etc
Your problem is that you're making something that's not political -- political!
Watch whatever you want, read whatever you want nobody gives a ? .
People give a ? when you decide to change what they want into some ? you want.
Nobody wants to be preached to or lambasted for liking something. Move on. Take all that nagging ? somewhere else, ? was having fun over here.
If you really liked something, you wouldn't go out of your way to change it. It's that type of thinking that is ruining fun ventures.
All this policing of the imagination, telling people what they can and can't fantasize about or buy with their money... ? is arrogant as ? .
Everything ain't about you and your politics.
Get the ? on!
get out your feelings
comics, video games are inherently political because there is no real distinction between politics and stories about the world .... american superhero comics like super man and xmen for instance were political from their earliest days
in the 40s superman was a champion for the oppressed fighting wealthy industrialists and crooked politicians
and it's not about changing what makes comic books and video games video games and comic books... like i said its about practicing social responsibility and expanding the market
again comics and video games aren't just becoming more woman friendly, the industry has made a concerted effort to reach out to poc....even the disabled more than they have done in the past
is that bad? lol
this idea that its about women nagging and wanting to ruin male spaces is your male privilege talking
The industry was never anti-woman, you can't find a single thing that ever said women were welcome.
Female writers and editors going back 30 years
Female characters going back 60-70 years where is this ? you talking about?
lol
in video games and comics?
the humor
they way women are drawn and dressed.... the overt sexualization
the tendency to turn women into expendable plot accessories to further the hero’s arc opposed to 3 dimensional characters
same as for most mediums, male characters are given the overwhelming majority of the speaking lines
we have video games where you can only play male characters who have the ability to pick up and ? female prostitutes
wasn't a big, big comic book reader growing up but that was because of the aforementioned and my parents wasn't with it and all the violence
Women being sexual isn't anti-woman.
Women are sexual, get over it.
lol
it is when the majority of women are sexualized and have size D breast opposed to the male characters who to a large extent come in varying shapes and sizes ....and actually have ? to do and say that involves more than pleasing the male gaze
Who CARES?! Like is that really an issue? You feel its your place to tell people where to look?
How you going to police the imagination? FOH.
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This generation of dog moms are going ruin a lot of ? for a lot of people. Nobody can have fun in any medium with their permission.
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This is why ? of War needs to hurry up. Raw male aggression and intensity. Feminists will not ruin my fun. Can't wait to rip enemies apart.
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Madame_CJSkywalker wrote: »All you have to do is look at the covers to romance novels to see that the ideation that females don't objectify men is compete and utter trash.
I ain't gonna post covers here because that would be sus af.
Comparing magazines to comic books is a blatant false equivalence and ? me off that you're such a ? you think we'd be stupid enough to not notice.
There are tons of men's publications geared towards weight loss fashion being attractive to women etc etc. That is the 1:1 comparison not comparing a volume of Cosmo to an issue of Batman.
You ? clown.
before i forget
i never said men aren't objectified
i said you don't see the same, as in the same amount of, objectification and contempt for the opposite sex in females spaces AND publications
females spaces meaning more than just magazines....
and more times than not media geared towards females is centered around what we can do to keep a man...not to say male centric spaces geared towards attracting the opposite sex do not exist... but where its inescapable for women it is not for men
read my ?
and stop putting words in my mouth
"? all men"
"Male tears"
"Down with cis"
No, no contempt at all.
No you didn't say men aren't objectified but your emphasis implied some disproportionate, male tendency to objectify the opposite sex, as if women don't do the same thing. Such a fact coming to light dissolves your attempt to lay this charge of misogyny because men and women objectify each other, however you prefer to focus on men to paint a particular narrative.
Publications targeting men all but tell men that if you can't get ? you are a loser. "If you are a loser reading this book, we can help," "in fact we'll post pictures of attractive women next to buff guys to sell you the possibility that this is something you can achieve."
A man's whole existence is summed up to the amount of female validation he can elicit. #stopitfive
You see through ? . Cheap glass. -
Madame_CJSkywalker wrote: »Ray Bradbury wrote Fahrenheit 451. In that book he bad the vision to see how the grievance industry would blossom.
It started with banning books, now people can twist anything to fit their grievance. ? can find sexism in a bowl of oatmeal if you give them enough time and they think it's a book deal or speaking engagment willing to pay.
Today, the "male gaze" is a grievance. Yes, where your eyes look is problematic now. Not domestic abuse, not real violence but "how dare you look at me?" "Your look dehumanizes me!"
H3H3 makes fun of this ? a lot too. Cultural appropriation is using black gifs and emojis.
This ? is nonsense. These are First World non-problems. You not being injured or disenfranchised by looks and emojis, grow the ? up.
lol
the male gaze is the act of depicting the world and women from a masculine and heterosexual point of view, which present women as objects of male pleasure
it's not just a look
you sound like a middle aged white man
young enough to know that 'cultural appropriation' is, but too inflexible in your views to actually learn what it really means and it's impact
know you got a sjw rant in you
how do you feel about identity politics?Madame_CJSkywalker wrote: »Madame_CJSkywalker wrote: »Madame_CJSkywalker wrote: »Madame_CJSkywalker wrote: »SuperManuel wrote: »That's the crazy thing to me. So much of this ? is fake. I grew up under the impression that ? who read comics, play video games etc were nerds who got no ? and were actively shunned by outsiders.
A movie like the 40 Year Old ? encapsulated this idea. What was the first thing his friends did when they tried to get him some ? ? They wanted to get rid of all his collectibles and nerd stuff because it was ? repellent.
For years this was true:
But out of nowhere it seems like women care so much now about what guys are doing in games or comics
true but girls was always gaming. they only played kiddie ? like super Mario or Kirby though.
That's what folks dont get.
Women read comics and manga too but it ain't the same ? men read.
People think everybody should do everything. Sometimes people just ain't interested!
Women and girls buy and or read comics and such that is women friendly... Even though we make up a significant portion of the market very little is catered towards us which is a part of the problem
And at the end of the day we live in a capitalist society
The ultimate goal is to expend ur market to make more money
That means making comics more accessible to minorities including women, poc and ? now that they have more buying power
Comics, and video games to a lesser extent, also have a long history of racist caricature that the industry is now grapling with
There are more blk super heroes
And recently batman confronts police racism in latest comic book so you have a problem with that?
Should the industry not be held responsible for the misogyny and racism they perpetuate
Should the industry not feel as though they have a social responsibility to address these things? Or rather why do yall have such a big problem with it
*shrugs*
Before anyone starts most popular female spaces and publications do not perpetuate the same contempt for anything other and objectification of the opposite sex at all. most of them is centered around what women can do to keep a man, i.e. lose weight, tone, makeup, head manuals etc
Your problem is that you're making something that's not political -- political!
Watch whatever you want, read whatever you want nobody gives a ? .
People give a ? when you decide to change what they want into some ? you want.
Nobody wants to be preached to or lambasted for liking something. Move on. Take all that nagging ? somewhere else, ? was having fun over here.
If you really liked something, you wouldn't go out of your way to change it. It's that type of thinking that is ruining fun ventures.
All this policing of the imagination, telling people what they can and can't fantasize about or buy with their money... ? is arrogant as ? .
Everything ain't about you and your politics.
Get the ? on!
get out your feelings
comics, video games are inherently political because there is no real distinction between politics and stories about the world .... american superhero comics like super man and xmen for instance were political from their earliest days
in the 40s superman was a champion for the oppressed fighting wealthy industrialists and crooked politicians
and it's not about changing what makes comic books and video games video games and comic books... like i said its about practicing social responsibility and expanding the market
again comics and video games aren't just becoming more woman friendly, the industry has made a concerted effort to reach out to poc....even the disabled more than they have done in the past
is that bad? lol
this idea that its about women nagging and wanting to ruin male spaces is your male privilege talking
The industry was never anti-woman, you can't find a single thing that ever said women were welcome.
Female writers and editors going back 30 years
Female characters going back 60-70 years where is this ? you talking about?
lol
in video games and comics?
the humor
they way women are drawn and dressed.... the overt sexualization
the tendency to turn women into expendable plot accessories to further the hero’s arc opposed to 3 dimensional characters
same as for most mediums, male characters are given the overwhelming majority of the speaking lines
we have video games where you can only play male characters who have the ability to pick up and ? female prostitutes
wasn't a big, big comic book reader growing up but that was because of the aforementioned and my parents wasn't with it and all the violence
Women being sexual isn't anti-woman.
Women are sexual, get over it.
lol
it is when the majority of women are sexualized and have size D breast opposed to the male characters who to a large extent come in varying shapes and sizes ....and actually have ? to do and say that involves more than pleasing the male gaze
Who CARES?! Like is that really an issue? You feel its your place to tell people where to look?
How you going to police the imagination? FOH.
i already explained.... a post you conveniently ignored
anyone who wants girls as well as boys to be able to enjoy video games and comics should care
considering media we consume has shown to influence how we view ourselves/others and and the way we interact with others ppl should care
like i said this is your male privilege talking....
same as poc have been fighting for fair and balanced representation in media...we do it because it has real world consequences that if you aren't poc you wouldn't be aware of or worry about -
Madame_CJSkywalker wrote: »Madame_CJSkywalker wrote: »Ray Bradbury wrote Fahrenheit 451. In that book he bad the vision to see how the grievance industry would blossom.
It started with banning books, now people can twist anything to fit their grievance. ? can find sexism in a bowl of oatmeal if you give them enough time and they think it's a book deal or speaking engagment willing to pay.
Today, the "male gaze" is a grievance. Yes, where your eyes look is problematic now. Not domestic abuse, not real violence but "how dare you look at me?" "Your look dehumanizes me!"
H3H3 makes fun of this ? a lot too. Cultural appropriation is using black gifs and emojis.
This ? is nonsense. These are First World non-problems. You not being injured or disenfranchised by looks and emojis, grow the ? up.
lol
the male gaze is the act of depicting the world and women from a masculine and heterosexual point of view, which present women as objects of male pleasure
it's not just a look
you sound like a middle aged white man
young enough to know that 'cultural appropriation' is, but too inflexible in your views to actually learn what it really means and it's impact
know you got a sjw rant in you
how do you feel about identity politics?Madame_CJSkywalker wrote: »Madame_CJSkywalker wrote: »Madame_CJSkywalker wrote: »Madame_CJSkywalker wrote: »SuperManuel wrote: »That's the crazy thing to me. So much of this ? is fake. I grew up under the impression that ? who read comics, play video games etc were nerds who got no ? and were actively shunned by outsiders.
A movie like the 40 Year Old ? encapsulated this idea. What was the first thing his friends did when they tried to get him some ? ? They wanted to get rid of all his collectibles and nerd stuff because it was ? repellent.
For years this was true:
But out of nowhere it seems like women care so much now about what guys are doing in games or comics
true but girls was always gaming. they only played kiddie ? like super Mario or Kirby though.
That's what folks dont get.
Women read comics and manga too but it ain't the same ? men read.
People think everybody should do everything. Sometimes people just ain't interested!
Women and girls buy and or read comics and such that is women friendly... Even though we make up a significant portion of the market very little is catered towards us which is a part of the problem
And at the end of the day we live in a capitalist society
The ultimate goal is to expend ur market to make more money
That means making comics more accessible to minorities including women, poc and ? now that they have more buying power
Comics, and video games to a lesser extent, also have a long history of racist caricature that the industry is now grapling with
There are more blk super heroes
And recently batman confronts police racism in latest comic book so you have a problem with that?
Should the industry not be held responsible for the misogyny and racism they perpetuate
Should the industry not feel as though they have a social responsibility to address these things? Or rather why do yall have such a big problem with it
*shrugs*
Before anyone starts most popular female spaces and publications do not perpetuate the same contempt for anything other and objectification of the opposite sex at all. most of them is centered around what women can do to keep a man, i.e. lose weight, tone, makeup, head manuals etc
Your problem is that you're making something that's not political -- political!
Watch whatever you want, read whatever you want nobody gives a ? .
People give a ? when you decide to change what they want into some ? you want.
Nobody wants to be preached to or lambasted for liking something. Move on. Take all that nagging ? somewhere else, ? was having fun over here.
If you really liked something, you wouldn't go out of your way to change it. It's that type of thinking that is ruining fun ventures.
All this policing of the imagination, telling people what they can and can't fantasize about or buy with their money... ? is arrogant as ? .
Everything ain't about you and your politics.
Get the ? on!
get out your feelings
comics, video games are inherently political because there is no real distinction between politics and stories about the world .... american superhero comics like super man and xmen for instance were political from their earliest days
in the 40s superman was a champion for the oppressed fighting wealthy industrialists and crooked politicians
and it's not about changing what makes comic books and video games video games and comic books... like i said its about practicing social responsibility and expanding the market
again comics and video games aren't just becoming more woman friendly, the industry has made a concerted effort to reach out to poc....even the disabled more than they have done in the past
is that bad? lol
this idea that its about women nagging and wanting to ruin male spaces is your male privilege talking
The industry was never anti-woman, you can't find a single thing that ever said women were welcome.
Female writers and editors going back 30 years
Female characters going back 60-70 years where is this ? you talking about?
lol
in video games and comics?
the humor
they way women are drawn and dressed.... the overt sexualization
the tendency to turn women into expendable plot accessories to further the hero’s arc opposed to 3 dimensional characters
same as for most mediums, male characters are given the overwhelming majority of the speaking lines
we have video games where you can only play male characters who have the ability to pick up and ? female prostitutes
wasn't a big, big comic book reader growing up but that was because of the aforementioned and my parents wasn't with it and all the violence
Women being sexual isn't anti-woman.
Women are sexual, get over it.
lol
it is when the majority of women are sexualized and have size D breast opposed to the male characters who to a large extent come in varying shapes and sizes ....and actually have ? to do and say that involves more than pleasing the male gaze
Who CARES?! Like is that really an issue? You feel its your place to tell people where to look?
How you going to police the imagination? FOH.
i already explained.... a post you conveniently ignored
anyone who wants girls as well as boys to be able to enjoy video games and comics should care
considering media we consume has shown to influence how we view ourselves/others and and the way we interact with others ppl should care
like i said this is your male privilege talking....
same as poc have been fighting for fair and balanced representation in media...we do it because it has real world consequences that if you aren't poc you wouldn't be aware of or worry about
Girls and boys have been enjoying comics and games for years. They have content that cators to them. Do you even know anything about either medium outside of stereotypes? You sound like a whited racist on Fox news speaking on something that you have no knowledge of. -
Madame_CJSkywalker wrote: »Madame_CJSkywalker wrote: »Madame_CJSkywalker wrote: »Madame_CJSkywalker wrote: »Madame_CJSkywalker wrote: »Madame_CJSkywalker wrote: »SuperManuel wrote: »
That's what folks dont get.
Women read comics and manga too but it ain't the same ? men read.
People think everybody should do everything. Sometimes people just ain't interested!
Women and girls buy and or read comics and such that is women friendly... Even though we make up a significant portion of the market very little is catered towards us which is a part of the problem
And at the end of the day we live in a capitalist society
The ultimate goal is to expend ur market to make more money
That means making comics more accessible to minorities including women, poc and ? now that they have more buying power
Comics, and video games to a lesser extent, also have a long history of racist caricature that the industry is now grapling with
There are more blk super heroes
And recently batman confronts police racism in latest comic book so you have a problem with that?
Should the industry not be held responsible for the misogyny and racism they perpetuate
Should the industry not feel as though they have a social responsibility to address these things? Or rather why do yall have such a big problem with it
*shrugs*
Before anyone starts most popular female spaces and publications do not perpetuate the same contempt for anything other and objectification of the opposite sex at all. most of them is centered around what women can do to keep a man, i.e. lose weight, tone, makeup, head manuals etc
Your problem is that you're making something that's not political -- political!
Watch whatever you want, read whatever you want nobody gives a ? .
People give a ? when you decide to change what they want into some ? you want.
Nobody wants to be preached to or lambasted for liking something. Move on. Take all that nagging ? somewhere else, ? was having fun over here.
If you really liked something, you wouldn't go out of your way to change it. It's that type of thinking that is ruining fun ventures.
All this policing of the imagination, telling people what they can and can't fantasize about or buy with their money... ? is arrogant as ? .
Everything ain't about you and your politics.
Get the ? on!
get out your feelings
comics, video games are inherently political because there is no real distinction between politics and stories about the world .... american superhero comics like super man and xmen for instance were political from their earliest days
in the 40s superman was a champion for the oppressed fighting wealthy industrialists and crooked politicians
and it's not about changing what makes comic books and video games video games and comic books... like i said its about practicing social responsibility and expanding the market
again comics and video games aren't just becoming more woman friendly, the industry has made a concerted effort to reach out to poc....even the disabled more than they have done in the past
is that bad? lol
this idea that its about women nagging and wanting to ruin male spaces is your male privilege talking
The industry was never anti-woman, you can't find a single thing that ever said women were welcome.
Female writers and editors going back 30 years
Female characters going back 60-70 years where is this ? you talking about?
lol
in video games and comics?
the humor
they way women are drawn and dressed.... the overt sexualization
the tendency to turn women into expendable plot accessories to further the hero’s arc opposed to 3 dimensional characters
same as for most mediums, male characters are given the overwhelming majority of the speaking lines
we have video games where you can only play male characters who have the ability to pick up and ? female prostitutes
wasn't a big, big comic book reader growing up but that was because of the aforementioned and my parents wasn't with it and all the violence
Women being sexual isn't anti-woman.
Women are sexual, get over it.
lol
it is when the majority of women are sexualized and have size D breast opposed to the male characters who to a large extent come in varying shapes and sizes ....and actually have ? to do and say that involves more than pleasing the male gaze
Who CARES?! Like is that really an issue? You feel its your place to tell people where to look?
How you going to police the imagination? FOH.
i already explained.... a post you conveniently ignored
anyone who wants girls as well as boys to be able to enjoy video games and comics should care
considering media we consume has shown to influence how we view ourselves/others and and the way we interact with others ppl should care
like i said this is your male privilege talking....
same as poc have been fighting for fair and balanced representation in media...we do it because it has real world consequences that if you aren't poc you wouldn't be aware of or worry about
I'll address your dumb argument.
Females read manga and are generally more interested in anime than in comics.
The Japanese art form has sub categorized manga into types that appeal to a variety of people.
The manga that girls tend to read have to do with drama and other typical female ? .
The genre boys tend to read are shonen and action based hero's journey stories.
It would be foolish for the makers of a manga like dragonball or naruto, typical shonen, and switch it up to draw in females. They would lose one audience trying to get another. Collapse.
In contrast American superhero genre is one giant shonen. It's all male centered and the characters typically go through This hero's journey arc: batman super man iron man spider man, all These characters go through an origin tale that is essentially about male responsibility and duty. Two things Females have no interest in responsibility and duty.
The comic book industry, American shonen is male centered. Nothing wrong with that. Males typically like danger and adventure. Evidenced by the fact it is mostly men who in real life engage in risky and perilous behavior, and suffer from death by misadventure. So it's only natural that boys are drawn to comic book adventures. Males believe it or not are also attracted to attractive women so the females depicted are going to appeal to those desires.
Comic books are losing sales because they are trying to split the difference and gain Two audiences that largely have opposing interests. So American comics have lost males and have not gained Females. They keep trying to gain Females by warping the industry but it is not successful.
Females have every right and opportunity to engage and participate in the industry at every level, and they have. But you want the outcome to go against the grain of male and female proclivities and that's stupid and short sighted.
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Madame_CJSkywalker wrote: »Black_Samson wrote: »When I hear or read women complaining about the way comics are drawn today, it makes part of me wish Jim Lee was still the next big thing.
Yall dont know nothing about the era of big guns, shoulder pads, thigh belts with pockets and big breasted contortionists.
Females act like Wolverine, Conan, Colossus, Beast, Hulk, Sentry, Blue Marvel etc dont give males body image issues.
Hell marvel use to put ouy a swimsuiy issue.
you right
things are changing
and at least the male characters at least had ? to do and say that involves more than pleasing the male gaze
u honestly don't see the issue int he way non white straight men are portrayed in video games and comics?
lol
Without the............"male gaze"...............most women would lose their minds if they didn't think any men were checking for them. -
Madame_CJSkywalker wrote: »All you have to do is look at the covers to romance novels to see that the ideation that females don't objectify men is compete and utter trash.
I ain't gonna post covers here because that would be sus af.
Comparing magazines to comic books is a blatant false equivalence and ? me off that you're such a ? you think we'd be stupid enough to not notice.
There are tons of men's publications geared towards weight loss fashion being attractive to women etc etc. That is the 1:1 comparison not comparing a volume of Cosmo to an issue of Batman.
You ? clown.
before i forget
i never said men aren't objectified
i said you don't see the same, as in the same amount of, objectification and contempt for the opposite sex in females spaces AND publications
females spaces meaning more than just magazines....
and more times than not media geared towards females is centered around what we can do to keep a man...not to say male centric spaces geared towards attracting the opposite sex do not exist... but where its inescapable for women it is not for men
read my ?
and stop putting words in my mouth
"? all men"
"Male tears"
"Down with cis"
No, no contempt at all.
No you didn't say men aren't objectified but your emphasis implied some disproportionate, male tendency to objectify the opposite sex, as if women don't do the same thing. Such a fact coming to light dissolves your attempt to lay this charge of misogyny because men and women objectify each other, however you prefer to focus on men to paint a particular narrative.
Publications targeting men all but tell men that if you can't get ? you are a loser. "If you are a loser reading this book, we can help," "in fact we'll post pictures of attractive women next to buff guys to sell you the possibility that this is something you can achieve."
A man's whole existence is summed up to the amount of female validation he can elicit. #stopitfive
You see through ? . Cheap glass.
? all men?
is not popular rhetoric in popular female spaces and publications. really b?
same with "how is down with cis"... and how is that statement inherently pro woman and anti-man?
for the sake of this thread i focus on what i and others have seen in the comic book and video game industry. you can argue both gender do it, that doesn't make it right though. nor does it mean misogyny isn't present in the video game and comic book industry. convenient how you ignore the lack of speaking lines and substantive roles for female characters in the majority of comics. also the way women are depicted in video games like gta
and fact remains that women have been disproportionately objectified for centuries and the status quo of sexual objectification places the man as the subject and the woman as the object. we see it when companies use half dressed female models to sell everything hamburgers to marketing music albums. rarely do we see men presented from the back as just an ass or faceless set of lips
so all things considered and the fact men are literally control almost very facet of society, including the majority of media behind the scenes....male objectification does not negatively impact your existence as a man to the same extent as it would for a woman or lead to ills like having your value in society based exclusively on what you look like
lol @ man's whole existence is summed up by female validation. expound?
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Women read comics but they are typically indy style comics like Saga, Lumberjanes and Paper Girls.
Marvel don't make any of that ? so instead they decided to gender swap superheroes and it hasn't worked because most women don't want to read superhero comics!
The problem isn't that women want to read comic books, they been doing that. The problem is that they want to change superhero comics into something palatable for girls while taking it away from the boys.
Thus the backlash.
Nobody gives a ? if a woman wants to read Iron Man, the problem is gender swapping Iron Man. The problem is trying to make the Iron Man book something it's not to appease people who don't want to read it!
Every female superhero since 2014 has had her own series and 80-90% of them have been cancelled. The ones that haven't still don't sell worth a damn. The writing is on the wall.
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It's a popular phrase on social media websites: tumblr fb twitter emags like jane xo and the other ? . Other similar such phrases like "men are trash". It's widely popular to publicly make these utterances with little to no backlash.
When sjws use neologisms like heteronormativity and cis ? , or homophobia this speech is targeted towards men as being the perpetrators. These phrases are dog whistle for straight men. Rarely if ever are these words brought up in regards to females.
Your third paragraph on the "lack of speaking lines and substantive roles for females in comics" illustrates two things. You don't read comics as a committed or causal fan, and secondly, the breadth of your intelligence is parroting sarkensian-esque talking points to mask your ignorance.
Storm: one of the major leaders of the xmen
Wonder woman: co founding member of the justice league has her own eponymous book
Bat girl has her own book
Black Widow had multiple ongoing and limited series
She hulk, member of the avengers West coast, has had her own book for twenty years
Invisible woman founding member of the FF
Silver Sable has had her own book
Mystique had her own book
Ms. Marvel has had multiple series for forty years
Starfire, Raven major characters of teen titans with multiple storylines where they are the central focus.
Jean Grey omega level mutant character that was the protagonist of major xmen stories
Rachel grey, same
Elektra solo books major character popular character
Just a few examples to rebut your ignorant opinion.
Men and women objectify each Other. Both sexes reduce the Other to functionality. Men see women as objects of sexual desire.
Women see Men as objects of security, physical and financial.
One is overt because Men are visual, the Other is covert because Females use manipulation tactics. Bare chested men are on the cover of romance representing the thing that women want from Men, sexual satisfaction, and physical safety which is why the Men are often bigger than the woman, muscular, and holding her in some embrace. Its been this way for decades.
We're not even gonna go over the tv tropes of the buffoonish male and the reasonable woman that plays out virtually in every sitcom for the last 30 years.
Male objectification teaches Men that they are tools, disposable tools whose only function is to that of the state and the women in his life, his ability to serve these entities determines his worth as a man.
I can go on about suicide rates due to joblessness drug addiction rates because of the same thing, but that is tangent to the topic. We're going to maintain our focus on females in comic books. You've not successfully argued one point and are attempting to move the goal posts.
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To mention other female characters
Red Sonja
Buffy the vampire slayer
Batwoman
Supergirl
Detective montoya so popular in BTAS that she was integrated into the comics and became the second Question after the original died
Harley Quinn also became famous in BTAS. consequently integrated into the comics
Big barda
Maxima
Famous villains
Poison ivy
Cat woman
Lady deathstrike
Cheetah
Terra
Madam viper
Emma frost
Dark phoenix
Talia al ghul
Giantess
Killer frost
Cassandra (professor x sister)
Volcana
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The very fact that "male gaze" is this pseudo criminal term is ridiculous.
He looked at me "stare ? "
He made you uncomfortable by looking at you perhaps in a sexual manner.
What this is, is an exercise in female type classism. You have these women that take offense if they receive attention from a man they feel is beneath them. They feel it lowers their value.
Street harrassment comes out of this same vein. Harmless flirting and harassment are based on the woman's perception of the man making the overture. -
How ridiculous. People don't have water, people don't have homes, people don't have rights but by gawd we gotta fight the male gaze.
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How ridiculous. People don't have water, people don't have homes, people don't have rights but by gawd we gotta fight the male gaze.
It's always the buzzwords with her ilk.
First it was Benevolent sexism.........then patriarchy...........male privilege............now the male gaze.
Starting to think it's part of their protocol to mention these terms in every discussion they have.
Regardless of whether or not the terms are even applicable to the topic being discussed.
They always seem to have to stay on message...........and to not say anything that can be perceived as going against the feminist doctrine.
The only thing this thread needs now is @The Lonious Monk trying to reason with her through a seemingly endless exchange of titangraphs. -
How ridiculous. People don't have water, people don't have homes, people don't have rights but by gawd we gotta fight the male gaze.
It's always the buzzwords with her ilk.
First it was Benevolent sexism.........then patriarchy...........male privilege............now the male gaze.
Starting to think it's part of their protocol to mention these terms in every discussion they have.
Regardless of whether or not the terms are even applicable to the topic being discussed.
They always seem to have to stay on message...........and to not say anything that can be perceived as going against the feminist doctrine.
The only thing this thread needs now is @The Lonious Monk trying to reason with her through a seemingly endless exchange of titangraphs.
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I find it odd that ? who seem to hate words love communicating on a text based forum. Ya'll ? need to go get on tinychat or something. Literacy seems to hurt your feelings.
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@Madame_CJSkywalker got to b a troll at this point. The force is not with her lol
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The Lonious Monk wrote: »I find it odd that ? who seem to hate words love communicating on a text based forum. Ya'll ? need to go get on tinychat or something. Literacy seems to hurt your feelings.
Nah, it's not about communication.
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How ridiculous. People don't have water, people don't have homes, people don't have rights but by gawd we gotta fight the male gaze.
It's always the buzzwords with her ilk.
First it was Benevolent sexism.........then patriarchy...........male privilege............now the male gaze.
Starting to think it's part of their protocol to mention these terms in every discussion they have.
Regardless of whether or not the terms are even applicable to the topic being discussed.
They always seem to have to stay on message...........and to not say anything that can be perceived as going against the feminist doctrine.
The only thing this thread needs now is @The Lonious Monk trying to reason with her through a seemingly endless exchange of titangraphs.
Why tho?
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To mention other female characters
Red Sonja
Buffy the vampire slayer
Batwoman
Supergirl
Detective montoya so popular in BTAS that she was integrated into the comics and became the second Question after the original died
Harley Quinn also became famous in BTAS. consequently integrated into the comics
Big barda
Maxima
Famous villains
Poison ivy
Cat woman
Lady deathstrike
Cheetah
Terra
Madam viper
Emma frost
Dark phoenix
Talia al ghul
Giantess
Killer frost
Cassandra (professor x sister)
Volcana
She doent kno none of them because she aint reading ?
Psylocke
Kitty pride
Black cat
Storm
Phoenix
Gamorra
Death
Wonderwoman
Chun Li
CAmille
Ibuki
None of these characters are weak ass female ones. Comics have bern courageously race militants before we were born. THE BLACK PANTHER and his environment full nappy head strong and proud females with african traits is an example.
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Women outchea jealous of made up comic book characters?
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@VulcanRaven
Lol
Video games rarely cater to girls and women stop
Please dont name the sims or kirby lol
Im Fox new but im tryna argument why diversity and inclusiveness is important and lacking in video games and comics???
Stop
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